Saturday, August 29, 2009

Trust Question?

Who trusted Hunter S Thompson? Why? and What did they trust him to do, say, be..etc.


RebeccaZ said...

Bob, are you on drugs?

Devilvet said...


That's adorable!!!! Now, your point?

Devilvet said...

Alright, let me be more specific about my point. We've been talking a bit about Trust on the blogosphere lately. Nick and I sometimes talk about certain things and he mentioned once that it is almost like we are using similar sounding words, but the words mean completely different things. So, since trust is something that I think is important to any sort of conversation about community and summits and theatre companies or theater artists aligning with each other... as well as perception and branding... I thought there might be something for me personally illuminating about my question and how folks responded.

So RZ,my first response quick and glib, but I intrepretted yours to be too.

So, that is why the question.

RebeccaZ said...

I was, indeed, being glib. May I ask, why Hunter S. Thompson?

I'm not sure why Trust has to be such a big issue. Could you tell me more about what you think Trust needs to be? When it comes to the work place and to collaborating professionally with people, I trust that they're going to be professional and show up on time and not be an asshole, etc, but I don't need to know that I can leave my child with them, say. I talked a little more about trust at GreyZelda's blog this evening. I just don't know why you need to trust Andrew Hobgood before you start working with him. Do you trust me? Don? Nick? Etc? Why? Why not?

I trust people who say they're going to do something and then do it. I don't like swagger unless you have something to back it up. But I can't truly bring trust into the equation until I start working with someone and see what they're giving and I'm giving and vice versa. And, even then ... humans can truly suck sometimes. You have to be on your guard.

So, needless to say ... I don't have tons of trust to throw around.

But, I trust that people are going to be professional if we're going to work together.

Devilvet said...

First... Trust is a big issue.

But not all my trust talk has to do with the upcoming summit. Some of it is born out of Nick's notions of brand and identity, and his questions as to the Mammals brand.

So I picked Hunter S Thompson because there is a complicated relationship with his identity and trust. If you see the bio film on him "Buy The Ticket Take the Ride" you see that there were many folks who had immense trust in him, but the Gonzo persona... how do trust a persona that is hopped up on drugs? Well perhaps you dot trust him with the baby... but you do trust him to tell you the truth because the gonzo has no blinding respect for authority. The Gonzo brand (Raul Duke...which is a brand/persona designed by the writer Hunter S Thompson) is an interesting one especially in how it navigates (or ramrods) trust.

So, to that... I would again ask my original question (see post)


Trust is what is essential before I become invested.

When you talk about working with people, are you referring to rehearsal and actors and artists... or are you talking about administrative situations where you offer your resource to people you dot know?

Regarding the art... We are always taking chances with who we work with. But, when I am auditioning... I do have to make an assessment not only of an individual artist's ability, but also their character. Can I trust them? If you arent asking that question, you are asking for trouble eventually. Especially in this theatre racket.

First, I want to apologize to Andrew that it is now essential that you and I talk about him without him being "in the room"... but you made it about him when you named him. This post actually isnt about him at all, but since you asked...

I dont even know Andrew yet. I am hoping to get to know him... but until I trust him or anyone I cant say that I am willing to commit anything too much to them.

I dot want to create a trust-o-meter and rate all the folks you listed. But, I can say somethings...

I trust Nick because of time spent in conversation with him. Because we have supported each other as audience members, and advised each other frequently. I dot always agree with him. But hours of dialogue in person and online and shared meals and beers, etc... I trust that he is always telling me what he sees as he see it.

Don has earned my trust a hundred times over in ways I need not recount here.

You and I, I think we have a certain amount of trust because of a shared history in the scene. That trust was not as developed during say "Franz Loves Marie" (our first art collaboration for anyone else eavesdropping)...But enough mutual friends and art endeavors... have got us to a place where I think we can trust each other with things like equipment, etc. But, the way in which I might lend you a mixing board or you might lend me a lighting board... that trust takes time... and it doesn't extend to just anyone .

None of us just open the door and invite anyone to become company members in our theatre groups. People have to earn that. And trust is a part of that equation.

So to wrap it up. Trust is important.

This post wasnt about the summit, but since it was brought up... I think trust is possible, but has to be earned and I cant imagine what will come out of the summit without trust eventually be established.

silent nic@knight said...

Well, Bob, I think you answered your own question. Trust is something earned, whether it’s a persona or a person. And the person and the persona are often radically different, especially the more interesting, complex persona and people.

The Facebook Generation is all about representation but has very little understanding of the complexities of that representation. The majority of the public images of people on blogs and facebook are facile simple variations of that smiley Have A Nice Day image. But our lives are more complex than just “friending” or not “friending” the people with whom we share our lives and work.

“S/he looks like someone you can trust,” is probably the correct and judicious way to approach a public or casual interaction with a stranger, but has little value beyond that.

Actors attempt to perfect their headshots toward a representation of “who they are” as an actor, but these images say nothing about their talent and abilities… and nothing about “who they really are” as a person to befriend.